No. Fucking. Lists. – What is So Difficult About That?

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
January 17, 2018

UPDATE: The League of the South says there is no list, and I have issued a retraction which you can find here. 

Antifa doesn’t need to be strategic when you are doing their work for them.

Look.

I don’t call people out in the movement. The regular reader knows I don’t do that.

But right here we have an issue that is so extreme, that I don’t have any choice.

The League of the South, an old school pro-white group in the South, was keeping a real names list, and their entire membership just got doxed. Their real names and their addresses. Probably a majority of these people are going to have their lives destroyed, because the leadership of LotS wouldn’t listen to basic fucking reason.

This is absolutely insane, and it is inexcusable.

I have said from the beginning “NO FUCKING LISTS.” People attacked me when I told people to leave groups that keep lists of real names and demand that their names be taken off the lists, and told people that under absolutely no circumstances should they ever join a group that keeps lists.

You have a right to have whatever kind of disagreements you want with me as to how you run your groups, but you don’t have a right to destroy our guys’ lives. And every single group that is keeping a list of real names is going to end up destroying the lives of every member of their group who doesn’t want to be doxed.

Wired:

The email arrived just as Megan Squire was starting to cook Thanksgiving dinner. She was flitting between the kitchen, where some chicken soup was simmering, and her living room office, when she saw the subject line flash on her laptop screen: “LOSer Leak.” Squire recognized the acronym of the League of the South, a neo-­Confederate organization whose leaders have called for a “second secession” and the return of slavery. An anonymous insider had released the names, addresses, emails, passwords, and dues-paying records of more than 4,800 members of the group to a left-wing activist, who in turn forwarded the information to Squire, an expert in data mining and an enemy of far-right extremism.

Fingers tapping across the keyboard, Squire first tried to figure out exactly what she had. She pulled up the Excel file’s metadata, which suggested that it had passed through several hands before reaching hers. She would have to establish its provenance. The data itself was a few years old and haphazardly assembled, so Squire had to rake the tens of thousands of information-filled cells into standardized sets. Next, she searched for League members near her home of Gibsonville, North Carolina. When she found five, she felt a shiver. She had recently received death threats for her activism, so she Googled the names to find images, in case those people showed up at her door. Then she began combing through the thousands of other names. Two appeared to be former South Carolina state legislators, one a firearms industry executive, another a former director at Bank of America.

Once she had a long list of people to investigate, Squire opened a database of her own design—named Whack-a-Mole—which contains, as far as anyone can tell, the most robust trove of information on far-right extremists. When she cross-checked the names, she found that many matched, strengthening her belief in the authenticity of the leak. By midafternoon, Squire was exchanging messages via Slack with an analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a 46-year-old organization that monitors hate groups. Squire often feeds data to the SPLC, whose analysts might use it to provide information to police or to reveal white supremacists to their employers, seeking to get them fired. She also sent several high-profile names from the list to another contact, a left-wing activist who she knew might take more radical action—like posting their identities and photos online, for the public to do with what it would.

As day shifted to evening, Squire closed the database so she could finish up cooking and celebrate Thanksgiving with her family and friends. Over the next three weeks, the SPLC, with help from Squire, became comfortable enough with the information to begin to act on it. In the shadowy world of the internet, where white nationalists hide behind fake accounts and anonymity is power, Whack-a-Mole was shining a searchlight. By mid-December, the SPLC had compiled a list of 130 people and was contacting them, to give them a chance to respond before possibly informing their employers or taking legal action. Meanwhile, the left-wing activist whom Squire had separately sent data to was preparing to release certain names online. This is just how Squire likes it. Hers is a new, digitally enabled kind of vigilante justice. With no clear-cut rules for just how far a citizen could and should go, Squire has made up her own.

It’s a real shame.

Because this doesn’t just hurt the League of the South or the particular individuals who have had their lives destroyed here. It hurts the core of the movement, in that it hurts recruitment.

That is of course the goal. They want to make an example of people, so that fewer people will be willing to get politically active.

Old Timey Lists

I am capable of grasping the fact that LotS is a group made up of mostly older people, and that they have a different perception of lists.

I don’t think that there was ever an excuse for keeping lists of real names and addresses, but clearly, before the internet they served more of a purpose. People were actually mailing people things way back when. We have the internet now, meaning there is no reason to mail people anything.

Furthermore, things were much less intense way back when. You didn’t have these obsessive antifa to the extent that you have them now. Also, if a list was simply a mailing list, on paper, it was a lot less likely that it would get leaked. And of course, before the internet, a list of real names would have held a lot less value, as digging up the rest of the information on the people on the list would have been difficult.

Again: still stupid. But much more understandable.

Right now, there is no excuse. There is no benefit to the list that I can imagine, and there is so much risk involved. Presumably, these people do have some reason for why they do these lists which they would give you if you asked them, but whatever that reason is, it simply is not good enough.

There is no excuse.

I am not trying to call out LotS here, specifically. Other groups – most of them even – keep these lists. Even while they have been warned, directly in many cases, by me that when they compile these lists they are compiling them for Antifa, the SPLC and the Feds, because there is no timeline on which the list is not eventually leaked to the media.

And I have been laughed at and attacked for stating this.

Do Not Join, Quit and Demand Name Removal If You Already Have

Do not join a group that makes lists of real names. If you are in such a group, quit and demand that your name be removed from the list.

Although to be honest, it is probably impossible to have your name removed, as these groups pass around the lists digitally, and old copies of the list will be stored somewhere forever.

This whole situation is so insane it makes me sick.

This is the simplest possible security measure. It doesn’t require you to do anything – it requires you to only not do something.

I am very much hoping that after this, all of the existing groups will come out and make statements with regards to the list-keeping phenomenon.

None of the Stormer Book Clubs keep real name lists, because this is banned. We do not even allow people to ask others for their real names. It serves absolutely no purpose, and it puts people at risk.

If someone is a fed, you aren’t going to figure that out by demanding a real name. The information is of zero value.

I also have confirmed that Patriot Front does not keep lists of names.

The rest of the groups, I don’t know about. Actually I do know that several of them do keep real name lists, but I won’t name them here. You can ask them yourselves.

This Isn’t a Game

We simply cannot have leadership in this movement that thinks that people’s lives are a joke, and that they can just do whatever they want.

People trust the leadership of groups. And that trust needs to be honored.

We are in a very, very serious situation here.

And no one can say that they weren’t warned about these lists. I have been making this point for YEARS.

I am not attacking League of the South. You can interpret this that way if you want – I don’t give a fuck. I know little to nothing about the group and have zero reason to attack them. This is about a concept, which is wrong, which is hurting our people.

This has to stop.

Official Stormer Call: End the Lists! 

I understand that this site is influential in this movement and I take that responsibility as something deadly serious.

I do not ever take it for granted.

And in this position, I have a certain duty.

I am hereby calling on every pro-white group that keeps membership lists with real names to cease this practice and destroy all known existing copies of the lists, and make a statement to that effect.